I for one have read your post and you have said repeatedly over and over again that voting does not matter. Or as you say do enough, same thing.

I believe it does matter. And I have said that in the past post. I do not have to re-read it, as I believe that voting does make a difference, and you don't. So that is the difference.

You say I won't change the voting, well I believe we need to vote as I have said earlier. We can make a difference whether you think so or not.

Gee, Molly...way to make my point!

Seriously: you just keep right on voting (and doing nothing more proactive or self-governing than that); if you think voting is the sine qua non of American citizenship, I will not dissuade you of that belief.

see dmzuniga that is where you are wrong. I never said that I do not do anything else about getting the word out. I talk to people all the time and tell them about our system. I am very active in my community. I go to regular meeting at the meet-up groups for Ron Paul. I go door to door and hand out information packets for Ron Paul. I have banners and signs up all over for Ron Paul. I have also told people, that even if Ron Paul does not get it to office. That we still need to get in as many people as we can, that might be able to make a difference.

See that is why you are wrong about the voting. As if we can get in as many people that might be able to start to make a difference. Then we are doing something that might help our system.

What you suggest is nothing other then talk to people. Well if we do not get into office some people that might help, then we are doing nothing. As you need to be into office to make a difference. Because anymore a regular person like you and I, people do not look at us like we can do anything. But if you are in office people seem to listen more.

I have seen this happen over and over again. A regular person, people just don't seem to care, but if you have a title they tend to listen more.

Molly, let's keep this exchange going, okay? I want to see how many different ways you can prove my point about the average American thinking of him/herself totally in terms of elective offices, politics, and 'titles'.

Goodness gracious, child...this was my whole point!

Do me a favor: go to http://www.america-again.blogspot.com and take the time to read the America Again! declaration.

Now, Molly, I want you to notice what a sea-change this project offers in American citizenship; it involves getting over your worship of politics and political offices and title; getting over your idea that "government" is some organization of "authorities"; it involves realizing (as our founders did) that in America, We the People are a SELF-GOVERNED population, who choose representatives from amongst ourselves -- not superhumans or peers of the realm, but regular people like us.

Molly, these statesmen (NOT politicians; huge difference) are supposed to go the Washington D.C. to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution for the united States of America. They are supposed to speak on our behalf, NOT to "rule" us.

They are not only our representatives. While serving in elective office, they are also public SERVANTS.

To put it another way, Molly: YOU ARE THEIR BOSS.

Can you grasp that concept, Molly? You see, ours is an earth-shattering, historically unique federal Constitution; a totally unique rule of law! At least it was until about 145 years ago when Dishonest Abe's federal troops waged The War to Enslave the States; after that time, and increasingly with each generation, Americans have listened to the illegal (unconstitutional) pap and drivel of politicians, rather than just read the words of the Law of the Land.

I grew up (and lived most of my life) in south Texas right on the Mexico border, and I can tell you with great certainty that with each passing generation, the average American increasingly resembles the average Mexican: looking to "government authorities"...looking to his or her "rulers" for the answers to all of life's questions.

It is this socialist drone -- this worshipper of politics -- that makes the easiest dupe for demagogues and corrupt men. Your voting will gain you nothing, my dear, but another feckless demagogue to replace the one that's in there now.

You may scream to the moon that you're going to change the world by voting good people into office; I respond with the evidence of four generations. In our present plight, the voting booth is all but useless in breaking the corruption in Washington D.C., and throughout the political world (state, county, city, school district).

Until you have read the America Again! declaration, and until you can prove to me that you understand the basic tenets that I have proposed with the America Again! project, then please don't argue any more. You're only bolstering my original thesis about mind-numbed poll-booth drones, dear.

Sorry to be harsh with you, but your bickering over the same point was going nowhere. I ask that you read the America Again! declaration carefully and slowly. See if you can comprehend the drastic reform it represents in American self-government.

It offers to make the entire political machinery a moot point; a dinosaur (as indeed the Internet has already done). This local, annual, nation-wide citizen demand and enforcement project can finally restore to ALL Americans the self-governing power that we retained for ourselves in the U.S. Constitution...but have never had the tactical or logistical ability to exercise. By the grace of God, the Internet has changed all that.

We now have the power to restore our liberties by simply enforcing the Constitution. Whether we will take this opportunity or not, is a function of whether we can drop a thousand vestigial arguments, programs, and bunny-trails remaining from our experiment with party politics.

I hope you will read it, Molly. Having read it, I hope you will slowly, deeply consider it. For all I know, you're 11 years old; if you're a kid, please discuss it with your parents and others.

Above all, Molly: when you have some time, turn off the distractions, and then Google a copy of Jefferson's 1799 Kentucky Resolution. Read that short, eloquent, masterful lesson in self-government (one of Thomas Jefferson's best efforts). Then go back and re-read the America Again! declaration.

If you think long and hard, I hoipe you will then grant my premise: that at this point in the history of our Constitution and our Republic, voting as usual will simply not stem the tide of corruption and machine politics. We the People must take lawful, historically-informed, constitutional, tactically wise, witheringly EFFECTIVE enforcement action.

If we fail to do this (and remain content to merely "vote in good people" and talk about politics as usual) then the next generation's choices may well be limited to suffering an increasing police state, or armed insurrection.

The America Again! project is simple, peaceful, patriotic, and totally achievable.

In your town.

This 4th of July.

Post edited by: dmzuniga, at: 2008/05/17 18:48

dmzuniga wrote:


I spoke earlier about not needing more politicians, and that is certainly true. But we DO need more statesmen, rather than politicians, taking public office.

This is simply not going to happen under the present regime in Washington, with a $3,000,000,000,000 per year torrent of cash flooding in. That kind of cash breeds corruption among those who (from junior high school onwards) want a cushy job and lots of public acclaim...and don't want to produce anything.

You won't change that by voting, sorry.

Nor will you change it by folling tinfoil-hat theories about admiralty law and black helicopters. Americans with a decent education and a basic sense of common sense are apparently thin on the ground today. We need to study, to become capable of self-government!

This exchange illustrates how far we have to go towards that end.

Look, I've suggested that the America Again! project is a simple, terribly effective, very grassroots revolution in the way you see yourself as an American. This project allows you in a very local way, to bring that member of Congress out in the open; to publicly read that member of Congress' list of ongoing criminal activity; to threaten that member of Congress with years in the State Penitentiary, and threaten him with losing all he owns, even if he has it in hard-to-trace family and offshore trusts (as many members of Congress do).

This kind of real, law-abiding, tough-as-nails, kick-butt civic action is REAL self-government; it's worthy of our forefathers; and it can bear REAL results in a very short period of time without civil disobedience, without stupid, useless marches, and without breaking any laws.

We need America Again!

http://america-again.blogspot.com<br><br>Post edited by: dmzuniga, at: 2008/05/16 01:06

Ya know, I agree with Mr Zuniger's America Again! I believe it is a great concept. Just one problem here David, you continue to alienate people... the very ones who are not just the hard workers in the willing movement, by talking down to them, but you also insist upon the ridiculous notion that your most inteligent Leaders of such a movement, that actually have assessed the 'Ememy', for What They Are, and for What They Are Capable of.... as being Tinfoil Hat Wearers.
I have said personally to you, that I will lead a Task Force to Accomplish your Mission, to which you are throwing off on Gary and George... and you continue to alienate the very most brilliant of our leadership to your incessant rantings about Admiralty and Black Helicopters and Big Foot.
Sir, there are far greater folks than us, who have dedicated their lives to the Study and Tracking of the source in Statute, Codes and prima facie Chattel Bondage, that proves Admiralty Jurisdiction, yet you insist upon undermining the very brains behind such an opportunity.

Stop it!!! You sound just like an IRS Shill when you compare understanding of Admiralty,the primary Weapon of Mass Induction at Point of a Gun as being some whacko theory!!! That is Federal Reserve Shill Disinfo and is Classic Counter Intel.
You have done great work on your America Again!, so stop the mudslinging... you are destroying your cause, alienating and creating division, and making yourself sound like the enemy.

I know you are better than that.

Zekers

THANK YOU ZEKIEL. He sure does sound like one, not just and IRS Shill but an ass. He has repeatedly cut down people here and has not tried to explain it in a nice way. He has tried to be a teacher in constantly correcting ones spelling or grammar. This is wrong. He needs to leave us alone and get to the topics at hand.

I still and always will believe that voting does make a difference. He wants me to believe that I should just sit with my finger up you know what, and do nothing on election day. I know he has his points and I would of told him that, but he is rude, and does not need to be told that when he can not be nice.

I can not, and will not, sit back and just let the election go by with out a vote. Because it does make a difference. One vote does matter when it is a close call. I am not saying the big elections are like that, as I know they are not. But I want to try.

I also believe we need to get into office people who care about the people, and not just themselves. There are some out there like that. We can not give up we need to cast our vote and try.