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Getting off the Grid 2008/07/04 02:44 Karma: 26  
There is a lot of talk, everywhere you look, about many of the problems we face, in society today.
Whatever your beliefs are about 911, the War on Terror, politics, treason in high places, the failing dollar, Patriot Act, National ID, RFID Implants, loss of sovereignty, unconstitutional acts, rules and regulations in taxation, 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th amendment violations, usury in the creation of currency and lending practices, controlled media and educational propaganda, systematic poisoning of our food water and air, prohibitions that cause a worse problem than what they are meant to solve, rising energy costs and consumption, weakening economy... to list but only a few, are tearing down not only the US, but destroying the rest of the world, as well.

OK, so all of us, may not yet be convinced, that our government is involved in secret conspiracies, to militarize genetically modified foods and spray us with chemicals in the air, while conducting top secret operations in HAARP and mind control, by using focused energy beams from space and over the horizon to plant messages in our minds or terrorize and control the people, to the extent we need to all start wearing foil hats.
One thing we can all agree on, is that fuel costs are hitting us all very hard. The same is true about high energy and heating costs, as well. Oh, and don't forget, the decreasing value of the dollar and the potential of economic meltdown.

Here is the thing. I do not often hear, many folks offering much in the way of viable solutions, of which, would not require, endless years of dedicated, hard work, an act of Congress, a Federal Case, endless amounts of research and development, Trillions of Dollars, all to end up postponed, until Congress, the Senate, the Courts, the President or the Bilderbergers, can postpone, pacify and make us forget, whatever it was we were fighting for, even if we win a battle, to end up losing the info war and repeat the same vicious circle, in the next generation.

I do not know about you, but I am ready for Remedy and Real Solutions! I am weary, of the endless debates, stalling, studying, arguing, marching, flag waiving, campaigning, and otherwise, wasting time, energy, money and many other valuable resources, to have it all destroyed, in one goddam stroke of a pen!

Are you ready for Change and Real Solutions?
OK, here is a list.

1. Get off the Grid and begin the quest, to get energy independent.

2. Get out of debt and stay out of debt.

3. Boycotts... Mainstream Media and their sponsors, GMO Foods, High Cost and Inefficient Energy, Usury Based Lending (including, debt based currency and unlawful and unconstitutional taxation, regulation, prohibition, insurance, licensing, permits, fees, and seditious legislators and lawyers, especially Federal Reserve Notes!)

Here is a way to start doing all 3, by getting a new mind set, of energy self sufficiency. Confused yet? No?
Think Barter and Trade, this will help...
Now, consider, Free Energy Resources, Commodities, and Supplies, that are of Trade Value...
Do see a way, to boycott Unconstitutional Banking, Lending and Fiat Currency?

Now, ask yourself these questions... "Who is behind the bad laws and bad government?" and "How can we bring them down and recapture control of our lives?"

Did you answer Big Banking, Big Oil, Big Government, the NWO, the Powers That Be, Corporate Corruption in High Places, the Wizard of Oz? You would be correct. So then, how do we regain control?

How about, starting off with something simple enough to do at the grass roots level, that anyone can do, easily and affordable?

Now, consider this, for a moment... "How cheap is water? How Much does sunlight or wind cost?"

Let's start with water, because I am about to tell you, that 1 Gallon of Water contains over 1800 gallons of combustible gas...........................>
You heard me right, 1800 gallons of combustible gas, called HHO.

Did you know, you can create a simple Hydrogen on Demand, Electrolysis Generator, from just a couple of things, that you have most of, just laying around the garage and house?
Do you realize, that this simple Hydrogen on Demand Technology has been around, for 92 years?
Did you know, that any and all internal combustion engines, will run on this FREE GAS, and was used for increasing performance and fuel mileage in World War II aircraft?

Here is a way, to put that technology in your gas or diesel powered vehicle, for less than a few hundred bucs and increase your fuel mileage to, as much as, Double or even Better.

http://www.hydro4fuel.org/
High Energy Efficiency Hydro Fuel Cell

Bookmark that page, because it contains the full instructions, designs, blueprints, manuals and resources, to cut your fuel costs in half. It will also open some doors for you to really hurt the Oil Cartels and end their stranglehold on us. This is an ongoing movement, to recapture the market place, on energy.

I intend to share, much more information on this subject, as time goes on, but this is a Great Place to begin, Energy Independence.

How is David Rockefeller going to compete with FREE GAS?

I can guarantee you, IT Works! It will work for you, too. It is Alive!! This is the Real Deal!

Regards,

Zekiel
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John Adams, 2nd President of the United States
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Re:Getting off the Grid 2008/08/02 01:48 Karma: 10  
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/oxygen-0731.html

Is water fuel now the offical truth?
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Re:Getting off the Grid 2008/08/02 09:57 Karma: 2  
"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death." -Patrick Henry
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Re:Getting off the Grid 2008/08/03 01:51 Karma: 26  
I suppose, the so called, 'Official Truth', will sound like the voice of Al Gore, saying, "If people all start using sunlight and water as sources for Free Energy, everyone will stop working and start consuming too much of everything on the planet until nothing is left."

I can just hear it now!

Consider, if we no longer had to make, say half the trips commuting to work at some dead end job, to pay for the electric bill and gas bills. Instead, spending more time at home gardening, and creating other forms of alternative energy, like investing in and building more solar and energy efficiency in our homes, thereby, spending even less and then less on the energies we use today.

Yeah, they would be right! We would indeed work much less to line THEIR pockets. Guess what? Do you think we would pollute more or less? Do you think we would have more or less to our family and household needs? Do you think we would work harder, not as much or just smarter?

I can just hear these so called experts telling Congress, "Why, if we let them have FREE Energy, there would be so much consuming going on, they would all quit their jobs and sit around eating everything on the planet, until we go into an ice age, because there are no sufficient hydrocarbons being added to the atmosphere to sustain plant life and global greenhouse warming."

Take a chance. Buy the books. Print them up and give them away. Pass them around. Hell, I will give you free CDs of them if you can't pop for a lousy hundred bucs to become oil and energy independent.

http://hydrofuel.vpweb.com/
Hydro4Fuel.org - Home

Get involved, and give the savings to Ron Paul or RTR. I do not care. But investigate!

Debt Free and Energy Independence! That is my mission from God!

Regards,

Zekiel

Post edited by: zekiel, at: 2008/08/03 04:23
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Re:Getting off the Grid 2008/08/03 20:02 Karma: 10  
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1. Get off the Grid and begin the quest, to get energy independent.

2. Get out of debt and stay out of debt.
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Zekiel,

I cut off reading the rest of your advice when I read those two things. May I offer constructive criticism?

Your advice may be sound advice for anyone at any time, so my constructive criticism does not refute that real possibility. My criticism concerns a power called credit.

Your two sentences sentence credit to death.

My criticism can be illustrated with an old saying:

Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.

The grid is a connection between independent power producers and consumers. The grid is the baby. Don’t throw out the grid. Your sentence included words chosen by you. Why did you choose those words?

These:

“Get off the Grid…”

My criticism ends at that “advice” above as far as ‘throwing the baby out with the bath water.’

In real, practical, and useful terms there is a great advantage in being hooked up to other producers and consumers by some means and The Grid is a perfect example of a physical manifestation of such a LINK. Producers can feed excess into The Grid. Consumers can take from The Grid. So long as the exchange is accurately measured and equitably transferred (one for one) there is no “dependence” in that type of equitable commerce.

Suppose you have invested in a capacity to produce twice your annual rate of power consumption with a Solar Panel and Wind Turbine (new “jet” type) generating system. Now suppose too that you have invested in a few methods of storing that excess production such as water pumping to higher levels and hydrogen production with excess electricity. Suppose that your power system is capable of storing half of your excess.

You consume half of your production. You store half of your excess. You have thereby accounted for 75 percent of your production capacity. If you “get off the grid” then you disconnect another means of employing your full power production capacity. You can sell (or gain credit) for 25 percent of your production capacity rather than NOT PRODUCE MORE POWER.

That is my constructive criticism (not “endless argument”) concerning your word choice: “Get off the Grid…”

Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.

Next on my constructive criticism concerns the often misused term: ENERGY.

The more accurate term is POWER. As in:

+++++++++++
1. Get off the Grid and begin the quest, to get POWER independent.

2. Get out of debt and stay out of debt.
+++++++++++

I took out energy and replaced it with POWER. If you refuse to entertain this constructive criticism of that word choice then my efforts are powerless. My efforts are not energy less. I expended energy reading your advice and I expended energy replying to your advice and we are connected by a grid called The Internet.

The Internet is powerful. The energy source supplied to the internet is The Sun and human energy that depends upon The Sun. Human energy depends upon energy stored in water, food, oil, etc. The Sun is powerful. Food is powerful. Water is powerful.

Energy can be destructive?

Power can be constructive?

That is my criticism of your advice concerning the removal of the word energy and the employment of the more accurate word POWER.

Moving on to number 2:

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2. Get out of debt and stay out of debt.
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There is no such thing as debt without the relationship (by some Grid of some kind) between debtor and some other something.

Debt does not simply exist. Failure to see the relationship between debt and the other something that necessarily relates to “debt” is, to me, like seeing the trees and ignoring the forest.

I could go on with my criticism of your advice; however the idea in my mind is to improve the advice somehow. I’ll hold off on adding my version to the mix until such time as I can read words that indicate the effectiveness of my current efforts on that stated goal.
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Re:Getting off the Grid 2008/08/03 23:33 Karma: 26  
Joe,

I agree with your assessment.

That said, I think most folks understand, the intent here.

At the same time, it is commonly understood, that debt free and energy independent, I.E. 'Debt Free and Off the Grid' mean that we no longer pay someone else, for what is ours.

It is that simple. It simply means the freedom to choose, and to not be a slave to it.

Great points. That is what I meant to say!

Thanks.

Post edited by: zekiel, at: 2008/08/03 23:36
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