What better way to usher in the Amero than to collapse the Dollar? I am a real conspiracy believer but that is what it seems to me that they are doing.

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You’re not seriously asking that question are you?
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MrRekoj,

Do you enjoy confusion? I have to ask because I can’t figure out any other explanation for our failure to communicate accurately despite numerous attempts. I ask the same question of myself.

No; I do not enjoy confusion. When I speak about human beings committing crimes I speak about human beings committing crimes. These criminals have names. When someone speaks about these criminals as being one organized group of organized criminals it becomes confusing to me. That is why I ask the question asking for anyone to explain to me exactly what is, or is not, congress. Congress is what to you, seriously?

When you do not answer the question asked; more questions are relevant like: Why do you avoid answering the question asked? When you turn the question around and point the finger at my sincerity, my seriousness, and perhaps my sanity; more questions are relevant like: Why are you attacking me personally rather than discussing the topic of currency?

I will go on reading the rest of your reply to me specifically. I will look for an answer to my question after your outburst that was aimed at my sincerity. I will look for your answer to my question because the question requires an answer when someone is endeavoring to authorize the legitimacy of an organized group of people for any purpose under the sun.

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It's the person you voted for in the last general election that makes decisions and writes the laws we are suppose to follow or adhere to. They are suppose to represent us, depending on what state or district you live in of course.
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That is a false answer. You may consider that answer to be true from where you are viewing our world. The fact is factual that I did not vote for any evil. I did not vote for the lesser of two evils. I did not vote for the greater of two evils. I did not vote to authorize anyone to commit torture and mass murder in my name while they used my purchasing power stolen from me by fraud. I do not view Congress as anything more than a gang of legal criminals who gain their power from people who vote for them, support them, and are indoctrinated into a false belief that Congress represents anyone other than the people profiting from organized crime. If you are suffering from that false belief in that fairy tale it is your delusion and not mine. I ran for congress. I happen to know at least the littlest bit of factual knowledge concerning how Congress works. I can no longer believe in this supposed representation as I can believe that the moon is made of cheese.

If you must continue with your belief system it isn’t my job to disinfect you. You are the only one who can help you in that case. I can feel sorrow. I can’t help. You have your belief. Perhaps that will be enough for you. I can’t say. I can’t share that belief. It is false. What can I say?

I’ll read on and it is not obvious to me as to why we are unable to communicate.

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How would you help rebuild the nation's economy via investements into basic economic infrastructure?
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I would offer two new products to the world. One product is a loan borrowed from the borrower and paid back to the borrower. You may find this to be too foreign to accept or to even see as a real possibility. You may be as blinded by current currency frauds as you are blinded by legal criminals supposing to be representatives. I can’t say what you are in fact. I can say that I answer your question every time and every time, so far, you fail to see the answer.

Product one is the loan borrowed from the borrower and paid back to the borrower. The power to purchase is imagined into existence before the power to purchase is produced by the borrower. The borrower uses his good name and his good credit to gain purchasing power and then uses that purchasing power to create more power. You may fail to see how this works and I can see that happening. Why?

Perhaps you are as indoctrinated into the belief in fraudulent currency as you are indoctrinated into a belief in legal crime. They are, after all, the same thing.

The second product more accurately answers your specific question concerning your specific proposal. The second product is a product that is borrowed from the currency provider and one percent interest cost (a charge for accounting fees) is charged to the borrower for the purchasing power borrowed. The principle is also paid back to the borrower. The principle does not exist at first. The principle is used to create the power to create power. The power is then created and used to pay back the principle that never existed. The end result is a net increase in purchasing power and a reduction in cost which happen to be almost the same thing.

I explain in more detail; however you already fail to see the very simple answers. What is the point of discussing when both of us are on opposite sides of reality? It may be me. I freely admit the very real possibility that “Congress” is supposed to ‘represent’ us. I think it is you who are delusional. That is my condition. If you also believe that The Federal Reserve is supposed to fight inflation; I disagree. The Federal Reserve, authorized by Congress, is a currency fraud extortion racket. They are all legal criminals living high on the labor of their victims. They torture and mass murder to save their pathetic organized crime despotism. You and I may be next. We are being taken to the cleaners right now.

So…when you suggest that someone, anyone, goes to congress and intends to fix any problem it is my suggestion to you to think otherwise. The only time congress will be fixed is if honest people populate congress. Right now dishonest people populate congress. Congress is therefore dishonest. Why is this not easy to see?

Product one should be very simple to see for anyone.

Anyone who has good credit earns a no interest mortgage loan to pay off and own free and clear the title of their home and/or office, store, factory, shop, etc.

Product two is a one percent interest loan to people with good credit who use that purchasing power to produce or consume new renewable energy such as electricity made by hydrogen, solar panels, windmills, tide turbines, tide floats, and perhaps fusion reactors.

You can’t stop for a minute to think this through?

How much more disposable income will people have when they no longer send huge amounts of purchasing power to mortgage companies (and their investors)?

That answer is none. It is a shell game. The power to purchase merely changes ownership. People who work transfer that power to people who run the currency fraud business. The people who work at the mortgage companies are merely in the middle.

Think in terms of each individual person who works for a living. Rather than sending twice the value of a home to the mortgage company the actual value of the home is paid for in full – not twice the value. The home purchaser pays only the value of the home for the home and the purchasing power goes to the people who build the home and supply the material for the home. The currency fraud does not get a dime. Not one dime.

The provider of the currency uses home and business mortgage loans as a product service for free while the currency provider uses the second product to cover the cost of doing business. The second product charges borrowers a one percent interest charge for loans of purchasing power to qualified borrowers for renewable energy production and consumption.

If you go back to the average person working an honest job who is currently paying twice the value of his home to a mortgage company and see how the first product can cut the monthly payments in half or the time to pay off the entire loan in half. That means, in real terms, that many honest working people will have more power to purchase every month or have much more power to purchase as soon as the value of the home is paid in full (not twice the value of the home).

So…many more people have more power to purchase every month and many more people have no mortgage payment sooner and thereby they have even more power to purchase every month. The workers at the mortgage companies are included in these numbers of people. The Federal Reserve System is not included since they were the ones who received the extra home value as that system sucked the life out of the American Economy.

Now move ahead to product two and realize this is where your proposal comes into play. Anyone who qualifies can borrow purchasing power to produce or consume renewable energy products including, perhaps, fusion reactors. How much does it cost to build a fusion reactor? How much will a fusion reactor produce?

If you cannot answer those questions then you are not qualified.

I know how much a solar panel costs. I know how much a solar panel produces. I know that I can pay the entire loan back on a solar panel in half the guaranteed life span of the Solar Panel based upon prices of Solar Panels and Electricity when I last calculated the exchange rate. I am qualified. I have a very good FICO score.

I could borrow from myself to pay off my home and I could borrow from myself and install Solar Panels on my home. I could then become a net producer of new and powerful power. I will then be producing, and owning, utilizing, and consuming more power (credit) rather than less power (debt).

Who do you think has placed that infection in your brain where you think that we owe someone some nebulous national debt? Do you think that congress did it? Please do not take this inquisition wrong; I am passing on questions I ask of myself. You can ignore at will all the questions that do not apply to you.

That same debt, the “National Debt” can be monetized in the same exact way (in reverse) as the legal criminals created it in the first place. The troops come home. The fraudulent currency becomes more accurate. The people who earn purchasing power get to keep more and more of what they earn. Things return to prosperity and posterity is no longer shackled with false debt. The only losers are the criminals who have been living high at the expense of their victims and they will lose no matter what since their game is a false one and therefore it does not earn anything, does not produce anything, and results in torture and mass murder, on purpose, for profit (at the expense of victims and not ‘profit’ where production exceeds costs unless torture and mass murder is counted as ‘production’).

The simple answer is perhaps the best answer.

Two products

Product one is a loan to any qualified producer of credit for credit to pay off their home and/or their business mortgage – interest free.

Product two is a loan to any qualified producer of credit for credit to produce or consume new renewable energy products.

Your proposal fell into product two where the cost of that product is a one percent interest charge paid from the borrower to the producer of that product. The producer of both products has the chore of making sure that all accounts are accurately maintained and free of fraud.

You appear to be operating under a belief that the people who have the responsibility of maintaining accurate accounts are the people in congress. I do not share that belief. All the evidence I’ve accumulated over many years of careful investigation leads to the opposite conclusion. The people in congress are frauds. The people who earn good credit are the people who do maintain accurate accounts. One is real and the other is false. The false ones happen to be making a killing on their ability to dupe the others.

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More specifically, where would you derive appropriate funds to authorize legislation to enact policies aimed at building massive amounts of infrastructure along the lines I mentioned in my previous post?
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You can’t go on believing in falsehood for long. It is unhealthy. I’ve answered your question already. Product two exists already. The form that product two exists now is fraudulent, inaccurate, and offered by legal criminals. You can’t expect to benefit from that currency unless you too become a criminal. To suggest that good can come from evil is unreasonable. I think one of us is definitely confused.

The power to purchase anything, including your proposed ‘infrastructure’, exists in one form or another form and now you are asking which form of power will finance your special interest? My answer has already been given and you ignore it. The current form of legal purchasing power is Debt based and fraudulent. The cartel that issues and maintains the current legal form of purchasing power includes all the congress people who continue to support that systematic fraud. To suggest that those gangsters must be utilized in the process of accomplishing anything is a suggestion that ignores their power to reject everything other than their special interests. I can’t follow your logic here. It makes no sense.

The worst part of this fantasy, in my view, is the ignorance concerning how the power to purchase is produced and who really owns that power. Congress produces fraud. Honest working people produce purchasing power. Why go to the criminals to get anything good accomplished? What planet are you on? Again – I look in the mirror and ask that question. What planet, me, am I on? Why go to the legal criminals to beg for mercy when the people are the ones who have the power? It makes no sense to me. I can see now. I can see why you ignore my answers to your questions. We live on two different planets.

My suggestion is that reality exists on my planet. I must entertain the idea that my own viewpoint is false. Who is the one who is lending credit to the people in congress and by what measure is that credit earned by those people in congress? I’d like to see that yardstick. These are the people who support torture and mass murder. These are the people who give themselves raises in pay as they support, order, finance, and cause torture and mass murder. Do you find that to be worthy of credit? I do not.

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Now to me, that is a simple question that ought to envoke a rather simple response that actually answers the question to solve the problem posed. You don't seem willing to answer that question directly.
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I see now. Since my direct answers are so foreign on your planet you can’t see them. I can try to repeat the answers again just in case you may see the answer this time.

When you seek the power needed to construct your proposed infrastructure it is my answer to suggest a need to gain that required power from the people who produce that power to purchase. The power to purchase all those things that are needed to build that entire infrastructure is the power produced by the people who produce purchasing power. Go to them. Why do you insist that Congress has that power? Who gave those criminals that power? Apparently you did. I did not.

Your failure to understand the direct answer I’ve given is perhaps exacerbated by your failure to understand how a market works and especially how a market works when the market is free from the destructive power of falsehood supported by all those legal criminals in congress and all the people who those legal criminals represent.

In a free market, especially a free banking market, the least costly and most accurate currency will gain the most market share and that transfer of power could easily occur over night. Once that transfer of power occurs the question of going to congress for mercy or for the power needed to construct your special interest project will evaporate. The people who would then hold the power to build that infrastructure will be the honest people who earn good credit. If they agree to build that infrastructure proposed by you or by anyone – it will be built if it is possible and sustainable.

Perhaps your failure to see the direct answer to your question is explained by your lack of understanding concerning how production quantities of necessary products must exceed the costs of producing those necessary products in order for production to be sustainable. To suggest that anyone will support an unsustainable infrastructure is to suggest that someone is ignorant about how things work. Suppose, for example, that your proposal is unsustainable and the costs of production exceed the output by a wide margin. Now suppose you manage to beg congress and grease enough rails to get the power needed to realize your dream. You get your special interest built as you want it – by design. Now, as it turns out, the cost of this venture exceeds all expectations and the benefits of this venture pale in any and everyone’s eyes. The thing you build, and perhaps it has your name on it, sucks the life out of the American Economy. People are working to death just to keep this boondoggle alive; and for relatively nothing in return for anyone save for the congress people who have their piece of the action. Now what? Who comes in to save the day – Congress?

Perhaps you fail to see the answer provided because you can’t see it. I don’t know. When credit is accurate and cost-less the people who can use it will use it and you can step back and continue to ignore what is happening. You can go to congress to ask them why prosperity is occurring. They will take credit; I’m sure.

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But that isn't the case, I asked you the question. Why would you repeat the question and ask it back to me? I do have ideas, but I want to hear what the Austrian school has to say.
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Here is another problem. Somehow, apparently, you have me confused with the Austrian school. I’ve been thrown from their group with such force that even they won’t acknowledge my existence. I’ve vanished from their notice completely. They, the Austrian School, have banished me into permanent exile. I have proof and the proof exists on the Austrian School official web site.

Why do we share so much confusion about each other? Is this a given? Must we be at each other’s throats by default?

When I provide the direct answer to your direct question (two products issued by someone for anyone) you ignore my answers as if I never wrote them. You then take me to task for answering your follow up questions with a follow up question. This one:

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"How do you propose to finance this congress thing?"
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You can ignore that question as you see fit. I’m not the one proposing to beg for forgiveness, or for purchasing power for my favorite infrastructure, from a bunch of legal criminals. What is the point? I see no point in it. To me the point sounds like the following:

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Those are famous words.

My question isn’t so famous. I don’t propose to finance legal criminals who torture and mass murder, on purpose, for profit. It is evil. Why do it? Why beg them for mercy? Are you scared? Is that another dodge by me in your mind? In my mind my question goes directly to the point. Who has the power?

If you don’t it then makes sense as to why you ask rather than know the answer to your question. I know the answer to your question and I’ve answered your question directly many times. Two products answer your question. One product is an interest free loan. The second product answers your question more directly than the first product; however both products are integrated for many reasons. You can fail to see the answer as you wish.

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That is easy to see, but that's not the issue I was addressing nor was it the question I asked you.
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When my direct answer is ignored, you can see this or ignore it, my effort is then geared toward exposing possible reasons for this failure to recognize the direct answer given. Two products issued by people for people is the direct answer. The first product is an interest free loan of purchasing power to those who qualify for home and/or business ownership. See it or ignore it. The second product addresses your proposed infrastructure more directly; however a failure to see the first product assumes something. How can I assume that you will see the second product when you already prove that you ignore the first product?

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But who is taking a loan out to rebuild the nation's infrastructure? I don't think any one indvidual would be doing that, so the Government would more than likely assume that responsibility given that it involves everybody.
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Here is where we part company directly. I am not accepting a notion that places human character upon imagined beings. This “Government” entity does not exist without actual human beings working the controls. When “The People” become a blob of responsibility the notion becomes a science fiction novel. One person will commit one act in one place at one time. If you do not understand how responsibility and accountability works, if that is a fact, it makes sense to me then. I can ask. You can ignore my question.

Do you think that “Government” can be responsible for any act ever?

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But who is taking a loan out to rebuild the nation's infrastructure?
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If Bill Gates waited for “The Government” to authorize the creation of Microsoft that fact could be known. I don’t think he waited one second. Someone somewhere and many people from many places in time and space transferred purchasing power to Bill Gates. Now who is the one with the power to purchase? Did the people who gave Bill Gates credit (purchasing power) regain that power loaned to Bill Gates? How about Henry Ford? Edison?

Who authorized, built, and is now maintaining Hover Dam? Are you suggesting that “The Government” did it and is now doing it? In the case of Hover Dam the specific investors, constructors, and powers that cooperated in that venture can be known; in fact. Those facts can be studied and replicated in one way or another way in time and space. To call those specific human actions an act of “Government” is useless to me. I don’t get it.

What I have offered to you is two products as an answer to your specific question. The infrastructure project that you wish to have happen is merely an upgrade from my personal infrastructure project. Your special interest is merely larger than my special interest. Your special interest merely involves more human beings during the events required to accomplish your special interest. My special interest merely involves fewer human beings. The connecting hardware and software for both of our special interest projects are the same. You can call your connecting hardware and software (cars, trucks, buildings, money, bank accounts, receipts, purchase orders, etc.) a ‘Government venture’ while I call my connecting hardware by their accurate names like the following: Cars, Trucks, Phone lines, encrypted digital information, paper documents recording transfers of physical matter, paper document recording the names of people transferring the physical matter, pecuniary transfers of purchasing power to an from specific individuals, schedules, estimates of completion for specific tasks, etc.

The root of our problem may be the accurate identification of purchasing power. What is it? Where does it originate? Who owns it? Who controls it? Does this stuff actually exist? Is purchasing power the same thing as Credit? Is Debt something real? How can I get Solar Panels installed on my home? How can you begin to build your special interest infrastructure projects?

If The Federal Reserve System did not own and control a monopoly on legal currency there could, very easily, be two new product on the market for you or I to consider as a possible means of accomplishing our special interest goals. You can consider being the next Bill Gates or the next HOVER. Borrow whatever power you can and see what happens? I’ll be content with starting out with a lower monthly mortgage payment, home grown electricity from the sun and wind, and two electric cars. I may expand as time goes buy. I may start an electric car taxi service. Think about that a moment please.

Suppose you manage to convince someone or many people to give you the power needed to begin one of your fusion reactor projects and one mass transit line somewhere. Suppose that your venture is near my venture. Now you offer cheap mass transit while I offer cheap individual transit. You offer ‘public’ transportation via monorail. I offer ‘public’ transportation via electric car taxi service. Who has the better business?

Are you afraid of competition?

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How is Infrastructure a net loss? It returns a capital gain over the long-run and pays for itself because it's the very foundation upon which an economy will operate.
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I can give you two example of how infrastructure can be a net loss. The number of examples of infrastructure that exemplify a net loss remains unaccounted for by me or you. I choose to know that they exist. You apparently choose to ignore that they exist. One example is a road built to nowhere. I did not bookmark the evidence of this road to nowhere. I can try to find it again if needed. The road was built during “The Great Depression” by “The Government”. See how no one is held accountable for the road to nowhere when The Government did it? Imagine Bill Gates building a road to nowhere?
How many roads to nowhere can sustain human life? How many roads to nowhere are too many? The second example I have in a book written by Alexandr Solzhenitsyn. This example of infrastructure is a picture of a rail road built by “The Government”. No train ever rode on that rail. It was a rail road to nowhere. No train could ride on that twisted rail road. Many ‘workers’ died during the project. That is according to my memory of the record - written by one survivor of this type of ‘infrastructure’ building project.

Those are two example and they are not exceptional. I will offer one more example of infrastructure – since we are being serious – us two. Today the human species has produced a number of nuclear weapons and that number is growing. That is an example of infrastructure. To ignore that example and to blame that example on The Government is to ignore something important about The Government and the accomplishments of that type of infrastructure. It is unsustainable on purpose – for profit. It is also madness. It is insane. You may support that insanity. I do not. That insanity may represent you. It does not represent me. My answers may be foreign to you. I see them clearly and they answer your question directly from my viewpoint where much of The Government’s infrastructure is insane, unsustainable, torturous, and murderous on a massive scale including the complete destruction of the human race. I may be the crazy one. What if I am sane? If I am sane then it makes no sense to support the evil ones and to beg them for mercy or a dollar or two.

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How is Infrastructure a net loss? It returns a capital gain over the long-run and pays for itself because it's the very foundation upon which an economy will operate.
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If you are suggesting that all infrastructures are a net gain then that is what you are doing. I don’t know. The sustainable ventures prove to be sustainable in time. The ones that prove to be unsustainable may last longer than anyone can reasonably imagine due to a curious affliction to our species. We lie.

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It's not really any different than taking out a loan for a house, except that you're the only one who uses the house. You incur a debt, but you pay it back.
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I am trying to be realistic. In fact my house and many houses are used by the currency criminals as units of debt. Each unit of debt (each house with a mortgage) represents a flow of purchasing power from those who earn purchasing power to those who operate the currency monopoly. If you can’t or wont’ see this then perhaps someone else reading this can see it for what it is in reality. Product one eliminates that part of the currency fraud. The Interest/Profit/Wage Paying Limited Liability Corporate Nation State Currency Fraud System is an example of “infrastructure” and that SYSTEM includes The Federal Reserve Bank, all the member banks (cartel) , and all the interlinking connections to and from each bank and to each victim. You don’t have to see things this way. It is the accurate way to see what really is happening. Not seeing does not make it go away.

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Well, if you want to avoid levying taxes, then why not put tariffs on imports to pay for what you and I use everyday but don't want to pay for out of our own pockets through taxes?
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One of us, and it may be me, does not live on the real planet. “We” don’t want to avoid paying taxes including the tax whereby ‘imports’ are taxed with ‘tariffs’ because one of us does not support involuntary taxes. Both of us may not support involuntary taxes. I can be sure of one of us. I spent about 25 years on the road building business. Much of the roads built around my area of living were built by my labor. This is fact. Rock, sand, and other things were moved by me and that stuff is now being driven over; and over again. The benefit of that infrastructure is great. I know how this works. Unfortunately much of the benefit of that infrastructure empowers the legal criminals. Much of that infrastructure helps the legal criminals sell their petroleum products. That flow of power goes right to the Cartel and allows the Cartel (the actual people controlling the Cartel called: The Dollar Hegemony) to torture and mass murder. If I had known these facts well (I had my suspicions back then) then I would have found other work to do then.

How about a quote - now?

http://rescomp.stanford.edu/~cheshire/EinsteinQuotes.html

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"The release of atom power has changed everything except our way of thinking...the solution to this problem lies in the heart of mankind. If only I had known, I should have become a watchmaker."
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I could have spent my life working toward an electric car taxi business where I produce my own power from the sun and wind. Now I’m old and broken down; so I write. Few people listen. I can accept that as fact.

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That would satisfy your involuntary tax argument would it not? That would also encourage domestic supply and if we reduced all the taxes involved with such domestic supply ventures, or gave tax incentives to desirable economic behavior, like keeping manufacturing jobs here in the US instead of outsourcing them, then maybe more people would be inclined to enter the market thus truly revitalizing competition and free and open markets.
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We can boil this confusion down to a few principles if you like. You appear to want a nuclear power plant or many such things and you also want mass transit built on a massive scale. That appears to be your special interest. I can agree to that as a future improvement in human life if fusion power works out to be as advertised – clean, safe, and economical. If your special interest is to support an increase in fission my interest ends. Fission, as far as my research goes, is used to create war. I can explain in further detail as requested. A byproduct of fission (besides the creation of war) is electricity. The main goal is war. It works. Look at all the non-nuclear armed countries and see how well it works. That is another story. I support, as my special interest, Solar Power, Wind Power, Electric Cars, and hydrogen fuel produced with excess electric power (when the sun is hot and the wind is really blowing). My calculations so far prove that my special interest is sustainable at current prices and the trend is proving to be even more economically sustainable as oil prices increase and Solar Panels, Wind Generators, and other products reduce in price and increase productivity.

Your special interest is, in fact, collective in nature. I mean specifically that your proposed special interest must be run and controlled by a few people and many people must support that collective power structure. Your proposed special interest involves central power production spread out to many consumers. My special interest is a reverse of that collective structure or infrastructure. My special interest involves many independent power sources connected by a grid where each individual power is independent when needed and shared when wanted. Your structure removes independence and creates dependence. When your central power loses power everyone loses power. When my independent power producers lose power the other powers continue to produce independently and the grid POWER allows individual transfers of power from those who can afford to part with a temporary oversupply to add to those who are temporarily powerless or anyone can refuse to support anyone who abuses power. That last part cannot happen in your system where the central power controls the flow of power to everyone.

My system relies upon individual and independent power production and any connections to anyone else are voluntary connections based upon shared interest.

If you do not see the difference you may be inspired to believe that no difference exists. My special interest is independent power production and voluntary collectivization. The grid is connected for mutual benefit as a battery or store of value to be used much like a capacitor in an electric circuit. If you see this you can. If you do not or refuse to see it I can’t help you – ever. What is the point?

If you want to promote your special interest in nuclear powered mass transit my suggestion is to follow your own conscience and perhaps that means that you will go to congress and ask for the power to begin your project. While you do that I see congress as an evil cartel of greedy prostitutes who sell their power for imaginary luxury and their customers are member of The Dollar Hegemony.

The Dollar Hegemony is losing their power in proportion to the devaluation of their oil power. During their decline the dollar will be replaced by some other fraudulent currency also backed by petroleum power, military might, and falsehood. When that power struggle ends (if human begins are still alive) a new age of cost-less power will emerge (unless civilization is completely destroyed and the reaming examples of human beings are left power-less) as the legal criminals become extinct. Who really needs them?

My answer is: People who support falsehood need false people. It is unfortunately a human condition. It is however unsustainable.

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Do you lack credit to do so?
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Some people who read what I write or hear me when I speak (as during my run for congress) say: “I agree with you; but…”

The devil is not in the details so much as the devil is in devilish people.

Post edited by: Joe Kelley, at: 2008/03/10 19:48

right now alot of economists believe our currency will be worth nothing in 2 years but the federal reserve is also doing everything they can to usher this along via interest cuts and other financial measures at their disposal. We need to start buying gold and silver here and now so we can gain financial independance before the ball drops.

Like John said below there... "they" (the FED and likely CFR et. al.) want the dollar to collapse. They want to bring in the Amero here right? They have their devious ways, a lot of patience. I'd be very patient too if I were among the richest people on the planet.

I say we should WACK the dollar too by making so many of them... then convert them over A.S.A.P. to gold, silver and other hard commodities.

The dollar is going to crash. May as well make the most of it.

That's right Dan! We can make alot of $$$ and spread the word of RTR, AFTF and get the revolution some financial support just by setting up our own domain's at http://www.newamericanrevolution.ws
It's easy to do and will help spread the word like wildfire!

Dan Hall wrote:
Like John said below there... "they" (the FED and likely CFR et. al.) want the dollar to collapse. They want to bring in the Amero here right? They have their devious ways, a lot of patience. I'd be very patient too if I were among the richest people on the planet.

I say we should WACK the dollar too by making so many of them... then convert them over A.S.A.P. to gold, silver and other hard commodities.

The dollar is going to crash. May as well make the most of it.

I am working this angle of the currency business. I mean specifically the angle where words are arranged in an order by which ideas travel from one mind to another mind in current time.

That is a way of saying something. Another way of saying the same thing is to report to the readers here in this thread on this forum how I, Joe Kelley, have enrolled in a writing course. What follows is my fourth assignment. Please consider being my editor's helpers on the work submitted to 'the public'.

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Economic Power

Why would anyone pay interest on a mortgage loan if no-interest loans were available? This may be the first time someone asked. The answer is therefore not even possible. What the reader may now do, if this seems interesting enough, is follow along and see if economic power is possible. It may be possible if a few things are cleared up. The first thing to be cleared up is a relationship between what is and what can be and to clear this up it is important to be imaginative. Imagination may be the greatest economic power.

Suppose a new company began to offer the people of the world a no-interest mortgage loan. The idea, from the perspective of the new business operators, is to gain market share. Think in terms of a new Microsoft type Start-Up business where the number of people running the show are very few, but talented, people. It might be better to think in terms of an altogether different new business venture that is not at all like Microsoft. The future is bright. Doom and Gloom works to scare people into submission. Which is better? This proposed future change, no interest home mortgage loans, is for the better, not for the worse. This is not the lesser of two evils. This avoids all the evil. Yes, this avoids all the evil. Please use your imagination.

The idea behind gaining market share is easy to understand. This is something like the drug dealer giving away free samples of heroin, at first. Once the customer is hooked the dealer can jack-up the price. The sky is the limit. The difference between drug dealing and banking or loan sharking is small in this regard. The difference between a no-interest loan and a loan where the interest charged to the consumer amounts to double the value of the home is easy to see. A no- interest loan is a loan for the cost of one house. A conventional loan, at six percent interest, can cost the borrower the price of two complete homes. That is easy to see. A no-interest loan is a loan where the home buyer buys one home, not two. An interest earning loan earns the bank one whole house worth of interest. The borrower pays for two houses.

If the new start-up business does offer a no interest loan for home mortgages it is easy to see how that new start-up business can compete to gain market share. Who would want to buy two houses and then give one house to the bank if it were possible to buy one house, keep one house, and avoid the necessity of having to buy two houses where one house goes to someone at the bank? At this point the reader may be inspired to wonder which drugs the writer is using. This is rather sad if it is the case. In fact, the reason why No-Interest Mortgage Loans are not available is simply a case of monopoly. The bankers own everything already. I’m not lying.

When a monopoly power exists the competition does not exist. That is real economic power. If the competition is allowed to compete; the new start-up businesses can offer lower costs and higher quality products. Loans are no different in this regard than drugs or cheeseburgers. So please follow along with what can be rather than be stuck in some strange monopoly game, for keeps. The second product offered by the new start-up business may explain many troubling questions that may be entering the imagination of the reader. I can sympathize since I have been there, often.

The second product offered by the new start-up business is a product like the first product, the second product cost less, less than conventional loans. The second product is also a much higher quality loan because the second product is more powerful than the interest free home mortgage loan, if you can imagine that. The second product is borrowed for the production of actual power, like electricity. Suppose, for example, the home owner wants to begin producing electricity from the sun and wind and the home owner also wants to power his electric automobiles with that new, home grown, supply of power? Suppose too, that the new home owner already purchased, and is using, the no interest mortgage loan. He or she has even more power.

I have to rap this up. I hope the reader can use enough imagination and interest to connect the loose ends. You get a loan and pay no interest to anyone for your home. That is very powerful. You then borrow enough money to begin producing all the electricity you need to run your home and enough power to run two electric cars. You even borrow the power to purchase the two electric cars. You pay one percent interest on the second loan. You pay no banking interest on the first loan. If you work this out, as I have done, you can see how the second loan generates the entire principle and more than one percent interest because the power of that type of business is powered by the sun and, on top of that, it eliminates the cost of oil. If you are skeptical of this, please think about supporting the troop’s home. The Banking Monopoly is torturing and mass murdering people for oil and their own special interest. Please don’t lie about it.
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